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	<title>Comments on: Design won’t save the world, Design Thinking will</title>
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		<title>By: LSA</title>
		<link>http://digitaleskimo.net/blog/2009/04/28/design-wont-save-the-world-design-thinking-just-might/comment-page-1#comment-9140</link>
		<dc:creator>LSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 09:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Originator of that &quot;Poster&quot; is frank-chimero 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frank-sparrow/
foud via http://tcritic.com/archives/design-wont-save-the-world-you-pretentious-fuck/

btw. even your article got some points believing that design-thinking would make the world a better place without sounding the implication of an economic drive and thus interests for &quot;something&quot; is still pretentious, even more since you mentioned the holistic approach in the point &quot;integrative&quot;. 
There is a categorial mix-up between the moral &quot;good&quot; and &quot;better&quot; and the &quot;good and better for something&quot; which is eventually not moral.
Even if you &quot;design out homelessness&quot; the requirements are economic ones and not moral. 
I&#039;m not saying we shouldn&#039;t try to do that and eventually, to stay with that example, homeless wouldn&#039;t care for the reason that makes their lives better - but for anybody doing so there are will be interests related. I just want to point out that &quot;doing good and talk about it&quot; is not the moral good but the functional good - and if we obscure design (including service, systems, thinking) to an extend that we deceive ourselves about the role we have in the capitalistic system - we&#039;re pretentious fucks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Originator of that &#8220;Poster&#8221; is frank-chimero<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/frank-sparrow/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/frank-sparrow/</a><br />
foud via <a href="http://tcritic.com/archives/design-wont-save-the-world-you-pretentious-fuck/" rel="nofollow">http://tcritic.com/archives/design-wont-save-the-world-you-pretentious-fuck/</a></p>
<p>btw. even your article got some points believing that design-thinking would make the world a better place without sounding the implication of an economic drive and thus interests for &#8220;something&#8221; is still pretentious, even more since you mentioned the holistic approach in the point &#8220;integrative&#8221;.<br />
There is a categorial mix-up between the moral &#8220;good&#8221; and &#8220;better&#8221; and the &#8220;good and better for something&#8221; which is eventually not moral.<br />
Even if you &#8220;design out homelessness&#8221; the requirements are economic ones and not moral.<br />
I&#8217;m not saying we shouldn&#8217;t try to do that and eventually, to stay with that example, homeless wouldn&#8217;t care for the reason that makes their lives better &#8211; but for anybody doing so there are will be interests related. I just want to point out that &#8220;doing good and talk about it&#8221; is not the moral good but the functional good &#8211; and if we obscure design (including service, systems, thinking) to an extend that we deceive ourselves about the role we have in the capitalistic system &#8211; we&#8217;re pretentious fucks</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Gravina</title>
		<link>http://digitaleskimo.net/blog/2009/04/28/design-wont-save-the-world-design-thinking-just-might/comment-page-1#comment-805</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Gravina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bea! Glad the article was of use to you .. let&#039;s grab a coffee and chat soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bea! Glad the article was of use to you .. let&#8217;s grab a coffee and chat soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Bea</title>
		<link>http://digitaleskimo.net/blog/2009/04/28/design-wont-save-the-world-design-thinking-just-might/comment-page-1#comment-784</link>
		<dc:creator>Bea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG!! Awesome Dave :) I&#039;m so pleased I stumbled across your article... I&#039;ve been writing about exactly this issue lately and trying to build design thinking into my teaching curriculum for design students. Perhaps we could talk more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG!! Awesome Dave <img src='http://digitaleskimo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m so pleased I stumbled across your article&#8230; I&#8217;ve been writing about exactly this issue lately and trying to build design thinking into my teaching curriculum for design students. Perhaps we could talk more?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Gravina</title>
		<link>http://digitaleskimo.net/blog/2009/04/28/design-wont-save-the-world-design-thinking-just-might/comment-page-1#comment-767</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Gravina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tony,

Thanks for the comments and insight. Ive heard a lot of good things about Second Road and certainly agree Design Thinking is a tad nascent and needs more work to permeate business and organisations in a substantial way. I&#039;d love to meet up and discuss these ideas further - i&#039;ll be in touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tony,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments and insight. Ive heard a lot of good things about Second Road and certainly agree Design Thinking is a tad nascent and needs more work to permeate business and organisations in a substantial way. I&#8217;d love to meet up and discuss these ideas further &#8211; i&#8217;ll be in touch.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Golsby-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Golsby-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 07:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave. i like your article on design thinking and i also understand Brock&#039;s frustrations. In my view design thinking is full of promise but needs a stronger base of theory and practice to budge out the dominance of analytics. you will find the strong partner in language and the humanities - in particular the art of rhetoric as articulated by Aristotle and the Greeks. Rhetoric was the art of community based invention and decisions around making new worlds - the intellectual basis of democracy. i have framed this big idea into my doctoral thesis and the theory of two roads to truth. on the more practical side of how we change organisational behaviour, i suggest that the traditional strongholds of business schools, management and strategy are the key levers to grab and reform as arts of design thinking not just analytics. that is what i have built my firm on. perhaps we should have a chat one day. all the best Tony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave. i like your article on design thinking and i also understand Brock&#8217;s frustrations. In my view design thinking is full of promise but needs a stronger base of theory and practice to budge out the dominance of analytics. you will find the strong partner in language and the humanities &#8211; in particular the art of rhetoric as articulated by Aristotle and the Greeks. Rhetoric was the art of community based invention and decisions around making new worlds &#8211; the intellectual basis of democracy. i have framed this big idea into my doctoral thesis and the theory of two roads to truth. on the more practical side of how we change organisational behaviour, i suggest that the traditional strongholds of business schools, management and strategy are the key levers to grab and reform as arts of design thinking not just analytics. that is what i have built my firm on. perhaps we should have a chat one day. all the best Tony.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Gravina</title>
		<link>http://digitaleskimo.net/blog/2009/04/28/design-wont-save-the-world-design-thinking-just-might/comment-page-1#comment-746</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Gravina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spreading the word .. http://www.flickr.com/photos/supercamel/3643996296/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spreading the word .. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/supercamel/3643996296/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/supercamel/3643996296/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Gravina</title>
		<link>http://digitaleskimo.net/blog/2009/04/28/design-wont-save-the-world-design-thinking-just-might/comment-page-1#comment-719</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Gravina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Brock (and sorry for late reply!)

It&#039;s a very good point you make - i feel that we need to act as change agents wherever possible and as designers we should look to do what many other people across industry are doing, and that is to migrate ourselves away from the dominant paradigm and boxed in thinking over time. For many it&#039;s not practical to change your design business or role overnight but we should all be making plans to move away from the old approaches as soon as possible. If you work for yourself set a target for the next year (that includes the client base and work type not just carbon offsetting etc etc) and then across say 2-5 years move your business model to where you are personally comfortable with the mix. Ideally that would mean mostly sustainable  work.

If you work for a corporation you could work from within and try and improve what they do and eventually help them to rethink it. i would suggest you start small, use Design Thinking methods and  prototype ideas, keep the risk low - get your boss to commit to working groups of say 2 hours per person a week (match it with your own time perhaps to show your personal commitment) and show them what can be achieved in terms of saving in energy use and improvements in staff morale alone. Report on the results then go from there. (iterate!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Brock (and sorry for late reply!)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very good point you make &#8211; i feel that we need to act as change agents wherever possible and as designers we should look to do what many other people across industry are doing, and that is to migrate ourselves away from the dominant paradigm and boxed in thinking over time. For many it&#8217;s not practical to change your design business or role overnight but we should all be making plans to move away from the old approaches as soon as possible. If you work for yourself set a target for the next year (that includes the client base and work type not just carbon offsetting etc etc) and then across say 2-5 years move your business model to where you are personally comfortable with the mix. Ideally that would mean mostly sustainable  work.</p>
<p>If you work for a corporation you could work from within and try and improve what they do and eventually help them to rethink it. i would suggest you start small, use Design Thinking methods and  prototype ideas, keep the risk low &#8211; get your boss to commit to working groups of say 2 hours per person a week (match it with your own time perhaps to show your personal commitment) and show them what can be achieved in terms of saving in energy use and improvements in staff morale alone. Report on the results then go from there. (iterate!)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Gravina</title>
		<link>http://digitaleskimo.net/blog/2009/04/28/design-wont-save-the-world-design-thinking-just-might/comment-page-1#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Gravina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Justin - yes it&#039;s an exciting role for designers to take on - and i think critically its our job to teah Design Thinking to the broader community as we all tackle the great challenges ahead. Thanks fo rthe Think Public link, an excellent looking mob - i also like www.livework.co.uk who are focused on Service Design.  I&#039;d be more than happy for your girlfriend to use any of my work and do put her in touch please - the more people thinking/doing this stuff the better and the more conversations and connections we make the sooner this will happen. Again thanks for your comments and reading the post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Justin &#8211; yes it&#8217;s an exciting role for designers to take on &#8211; and i think critically its our job to teah Design Thinking to the broader community as we all tackle the great challenges ahead. Thanks fo rthe Think Public link, an excellent looking mob &#8211; i also like <a href="http://www.livework.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.livework.co.uk</a> who are focused on Service Design.  I&#8217;d be more than happy for your girlfriend to use any of my work and do put her in touch please &#8211; the more people thinking/doing this stuff the better and the more conversations and connections we make the sooner this will happen. Again thanks for your comments and reading the post!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 22:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A really brilliant, interesting post Dave. Deserves a wide audience. 

My girlfriend is currently studying her Masters in Design Mgmt here in London and is planning to do her major project on how design thinking is/can/should tackle social challenges. I&#039;ll put her in touch asap. In the meantime, she might make use of the excellent, illustrative (!) images from this post (assume that&#039;s ok!).

Number of interesting social design thinking orgs over here, most notably http://thinkpublic.com/ who you should check out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A really brilliant, interesting post Dave. Deserves a wide audience. </p>
<p>My girlfriend is currently studying her Masters in Design Mgmt here in London and is planning to do her major project on how design thinking is/can/should tackle social challenges. I&#8217;ll put her in touch asap. In the meantime, she might make use of the excellent, illustrative (!) images from this post (assume that&#8217;s ok!).</p>
<p>Number of interesting social design thinking orgs over here, most notably <a href="http://thinkpublic.com/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkpublic.com/</a> who you should check out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brock Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brock Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, Dave. You&#039;ve done a wonderful job of articulating the distinction between the commercial craft of graphic design and Design Thinking which, as you note, is the way that we improve our circumstances as humans. As Tom Peters noted, you can&#039;t shrink your way to greatness. Likewise, the linear, judgment thinking doesn&#039;t produce innovations. It requires an expansive mind (and an expansive way of thinking) to create something innovative that can change the world.

The next question, however, is how everyday designers—the people who bring home a paycheck by producing creative for corporations—can do a better job of using Design Thinking to improve the world. How much work is there that doesn&#039;t ask people to make the world more consumerist? What do you do if you are good at design thinking, but also want to support your family? This is the conundrum that so many working designers face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Dave. You&#8217;ve done a wonderful job of articulating the distinction between the commercial craft of graphic design and Design Thinking which, as you note, is the way that we improve our circumstances as humans. As Tom Peters noted, you can&#8217;t shrink your way to greatness. Likewise, the linear, judgment thinking doesn&#8217;t produce innovations. It requires an expansive mind (and an expansive way of thinking) to create something innovative that can change the world.</p>
<p>The next question, however, is how everyday designers—the people who bring home a paycheck by producing creative for corporations—can do a better job of using Design Thinking to improve the world. How much work is there that doesn&#8217;t ask people to make the world more consumerist? What do you do if you are good at design thinking, but also want to support your family? This is the conundrum that so many working designers face.</p>
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